Aircraft Wreckage in Snowdonia
Today Neil Pugh from uk.rec.walking kindly emailed me some
scans of a list of aircraft wrecks in Snowdonia, which he found
in a second hand book. The scans list 47 crash sites from 1942
to 1957 in the area of responsibility of RAF Valley. Actually,
number 17 is missing, so there are only 46, and some of them
are of the same plane, so there are probably only 43. Also,
some seem to be just rumours.
I’ve just finished transcribing these scans and the results
are below. For the sake of accuracy, I’ve copied the
information exactly as it was written, so I’ve included the
spelling mistakes. Some of it was very difficult to read
though, so some of the spelling mistakes may be my own
Please bear in mind that many of these wrecks are classed as
war graves, and removing anything from these sites is
~ PAGE 1~
MOUNTAIN RESCUE TEAM
AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE IN THE AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY OF
Mountain, Cwm, etc.
Height & Map.ref. of Pt. of Impact
Date of crash.
1. Pen yr Oleu wen 3,100′ 107/656620 Anson 9.11.43.
Large pieces at 659621, and bits spread down into Cwm Lloer
(eastern corner) almost to lake.
2. Pen yr Oleu wen 3,000′ 107/659626 Ventura 18.8.43.
Much burnt small pieces at P. of I. Large pieces spread down
750′ into Cwm (North east corner).
3. Pen yr Oleu wen 2,250′ 107/666621 Havoc 17.10.42.
Centre section & gun mounting. Eng. mounting in stream at
665622. Engine remains at 661621.
4. Carnedd Dafydd 3,200′ 107/667629 Havoc 17.10.42.
Near the summit. Large part of a/c still intact. Easily
5. Carnedd Dafydd 1,650′ 107/665639 Havoc 17.10.42.
Tail appendage of above aircraft.
6. Carnedd Llewelyn - Craig yr Ysfa 2,600′ 107/692639
Two engines & large pieces scattered down to 694639
7. Carnedd Llewelyn - Cwm Llafar 2,850′ 107/679638 Lincoln
Three hundred feet below the ridge, extending 100 x down
stream. Outer main planes, engines & rear fuselage easily
At 676634 bits of wing walkway in stream.
8. Foel Grach 2,850′ 107/692665 Wellington
Small pieces of geodetic construction only.
9. Foel Grach 2,850 107/691666 Anson 31.11.43.
Engines and bits of fuselage in the head of the stream running
towards Llynn Dulyn.
10. Foel Grach - Craig Dulyn 2,000′ 107/698667 Dakota (C.47)
In July 1949 much of the wreckage was dislodged into the lake.
Some is jammed in a gully on the cliff face.
11. Foel Fras 2,600′ 107/699675 Anson 12.7.44.
Tail end of fuselage. Pieces scattered both sides of wall,
mostly on south.
12. Foel Fras 107/697678 (C/F) Anson 23.8.43.
13. Llwydmor 2,250′ 107/679690 Botha 31.8.43.
Large pieces, part of engine nacelle, hydraulic jacks &
14. Llwydmor 1,800′ 107/692702 Junkers Ju 88 17.6.41.
Bits scattered over a wide area between 690704, 694703, 692698
15. Bere Mawr 1,750′ 107/678689 Auster 21.10.56.
Burnt out airframe & engine.
16. Carnedd Dafydd - Gilfach Felen 107/660644 Wellington ?
Small pieces. (see also 676634 no. 7.)
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18 Drum 2200 107/71636925 Mosquito 25.9.44.
fair amount of wreckage in gully
19 Drum 2000 715698 (CF) Anson 25.4.44.
very small bits
20 Drum 1600 721700
21 Drum 1250 725706
more scattered pieces
22 Pen Llithrig y Wrach 1850 727638 Anson 20.2.44.
fair amount of large bits, well scattered about rocky outcrops,
dural shess in quantities, might be visible from some
23 Pen Llithrig y Wrach - Moel Eilio (Cwm Eigiau) 1600
727646 Vampire 19.4.56.
Nearly every piece removed for investigation
24 Mount Cornel, Crafnant 1100 746599 Anson 5.2.45.
scattered over 200x, camouflaged & yellow pieces, but not
25 Penmaen Mawr Mountain 1275 716745 Liberator 7.1.44.
small bits airframe etc.
26 Y Garn 3000 628598 Marauder 2.2.45.
small bits. a/c went over ridge into Cwm Cwyion, quid video
27 Y Garn - Cwm Cwyion 2750 632601 same Marauder
lot of large chunks, fairly visible
28 Elydir Fawr 2500 611613 Beaufighter
wreckage spread down hillside 300x. Helcules eng. twin oleo
29 Mynydd Perfedd 2400 62556225 Anson 8.6.44.
30 Crib y Ddisgl 2800 608557 Anson 11.8.52.
bits of wreckage spread round the upper part of Cwm Bwrynog
31 Llechog - Cwm Clogwyn 2200 600542
3 small pieces of alloy control surfaces in old ruined
32 Yr Aran 1750 ? 603525 ?
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33 Craig Cwm Silin 1200 107/520507 Anson 20.11.43.
small pieces of allow & cylinders from Cheetah engine
34 Craig Cwm Silin 1700 518502 Hurricane
small bits scattered from below Sunset Rib to the lake at
35 Mynydd Tal y Mignedd Lysander
local talk. either in cwm y ffynnon or the one to the
36 Moel Hebog 2000 568470 Anson 13.6.44.
molten metal & fair amount wreckage scattered amongst crags
below Upper Cliff.
37 Bryniau Ystum Cegid 580 504417 Halifax 31.8.44.
tiny bits tucked away in walls & ditches of agricultural
38 Mynydd Mawr 2000 54255525 Mosquito 1.11.44.
large wing section, u/c & eng. bearers. bits spread down
39 Mynydd Mawr 2100 539547 Vampire 12.10.56.
scattered across top of mountain.
40 Mynydd Mawr local talk Messerschmidt ?
41 Bangor Caernarvon road, 1 m from C Parkia farm. Anson
exploded in mid air
42 Yr Eifl 1150 115/369454 Halifax 3.9.44.
small bits spread down hillside to 371456 where are several
large pieces at the foot of the crag and by the wall.
43 Yr Eifl quarry 1000 362461 Firefly 371454 Meteor
44 Cwm Edno 1150 107/670520 Dakota 10.1.52.
tail appendage. remainder in hole in bog. easily visible from
air, in fenced enclosure of consecrated ground
45 Moel Modior 1280 108/978680 Wellington 27.1.44.
most of wreckage cleared. small pieces over hilltop
46 Rhyd y Bedd 1250 108/916591 Thunderbolt 8.7.44.
crater & small pieces scattered 200 x around
47 Llangerniew 750 107/864674 Lancaster 6.7.43.
crater in agricultural land. possibly odd pieces alloy
May, 2007 at 1:49 am
I didn’t realise there were so many pieces of wreckage in
Snowdonia alone! Do you have pictures of these to match each of
the sites? I’d imagine that a gallery on your website just for
this purpose would be a good idea, and you can get photos at
the same time as you plan in various trips to these areas.
Pictures? Hey gimme a chance! I only got the list yesterday!
To be honest, aircraft wrecks are not my speciality, and
there are other websites devoted to this kind of thing that
probably do a much better job than I could. Also, from the
sites I have visited, I know that most have very little worth
I’ll certainly take photos when the opportunity presents
itself, but I wouldn’t go too far out of my way just to find a
few scraps of aluminium, so I’ll probably only bother to look
for the larger sites.
I’ll note your suggestion about having a photo gallery
May, 2007 at 11:23 am
Don’t just note the suggestion though Paul, action it too -
I want to see pictures! ;-)
| 27 August, 2007 at 11:48
Number 11 isn’t where the GR says it is, but it is either
side of the wall. Probably 2-300m up the hill, large parts of
it around 20-30 m to the left of the top end of the wall.
Number 9 was also easily located. Some photo’s should be on
our blog shortly, link in website above.
Thanks for the update Iain. I’ll look forward to seeing the
Andrew Simmonds | 5
September, 2007 at 9:40 pm
This list is almost the same as one I bought at RAF StAthan
airshow, about 1976. It covers all of wales, but is now out of
date as so much wreckage has been removed. I remember a big
display of black and white photos of the wrecks which motivated
me and my Dad to go looking for the crash sites. i would to see
those photos again! The group who produced the list and had the
display was the South wales aircraft preservation group. I
bought a section of Spitfire aileron for 30p which as a
scholboy was and still is a prized possession!
Matt Rimmer | 2
October, 2007 at 10:16 am
Hi. I am part of a group who have been recording crash sites
in Snowdonia for several years and as someone already said this
list is rather out of date,much of the wreckage has been
removed in the 1970’s and 80’s by so called aviation recovery
groups who have unfortunatly since scrapped most of it. All
military aircraft crash sites are now protected by law(the
protection of military remains act) and under the act it is an
offence for anyone to tamper with,damage,move,remove or unearth
any part of a crashed military aircraft. We have been working
with land owners including the Snowdonia National Park and The
National Trust in an attempt to ensure the wreckage which does
remain is not removed and I would ask anyone who sees someone
removing wreckage or disturbing a site to call the police and
the local national park warden. These sites are an important
part of our history,they are also all too often the place where
someone died and I would urge anyone visiting them to show
respect and leave them as found.
Jan Heiland | 17
October, 2007 at 11:48 pm
I’ve researched most of the sites in Snowdonia, and it’s sad
to say that this list covers only a fraction of the ones for
this area. Well under than a half … Also, it either gets many
of the relationships wrong, or gives wildly inaccurate maprefs.
Some examples - No 14 is a Heinkel 111, crashed 14-04-41 - No
24 is an Oxford, crashed 13-01-45 - No 28 marks the summit of
the mountain, half-way between a Blenheim and a Skua, not a
Beaufighter. The worst part is - the remains have mostly been
removed, not so much by interested groups, but by the Snowdonia
Park authority itself in a “tidy up” opperation. So much for
marking and remebering the places where so many young men
Matt Rimmer | 20
October, 2007 at 1:41 pm
The Snowdonia National Park did indeed remove some wreckage
from sites in Snowdonia in the early 1980’s but this was
largely instigated by a “recovery group” and was not a
widespread SNP policy,certainly the SNP would not now condone
the removal of wreckage. Unfortunatly the myth that the park
regard the wreckage as “an eyesore” has been used by some as an
excuse for further removal. I have compiled a list of wreckage
removed from sites in Snowdonia in the last 40 years and the
majority was removed by “recovery groups” often without MOD or
landowners permission and the unfortunate fact is most of the
wreckage recovered has not been preserved.
mat rowe | 30
November, 2007 at 3:50 pm
hi just to drop in some notes have pics of the sites and
will try to get them on line !the hurricane on Craig Cwm Silin
is a henley just been to the site and some remains are still to
be seen not much ! the meteor site on the rivals has no visible
remains but the impact scar is shocking to see and the
liberator number 25
is worth a visit the memorial on site is very moving but pls be
careful what you pick up at this site it was near an old mortar
range and numbers of e.o.d.s have been found i stumbled on 2 of
pls just look dont take as i went to the wellington site on
lake vynwy ther was much to see and then some one cleared the
site with a metal detector a real shame!!